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I'm curious about whether or not people in this community consider homosexuality a sin or simply a lifestyle misunderstood by the Christian world at large. In other words, are you one of those people who "love the sinner, hate the sin" or do you not even see what the big deal is?
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plasticpanties
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Time:2003-12-17 04:00 pm (UTC)
i think the bible has its ups and downs. it teaches some really good values on not judging others, which is what i really try to stick by. i myself am bisexual and have many gay friends, and i just don't understand how it could be wrong. you can't help who you fall in love with.
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hermionesviolin
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Time:2003-12-17 05:13 pm (UTC)
I understand why many Christians think homosexuality is a sin, but i think they are misunderstanding the Bible. Personally, i think that everyone's sexual orientation is an inherent part of their being and that God created them that way and loves them and doesn't think that part of them (which God created!) is a sin at all.
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skip_
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Time:2003-12-18 12:19 am (UTC)
I'm not sure. But I can't judge. Also, sex is supposed to be avoided by all christians and if it can't be then it should be performed within a marriage (details prescribed in some letter in the NT) The theology gets dicey here. The bible doesn't really condone homosexual behaviour anywhere.
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dizzydance76
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Time:2003-12-19 12:24 am (UTC)
The Bible contradicts itself constantly. Basically, most of the sexual situations that became a sin were the ones that would either never produce a child (ie. a homosexual relationship), or would produce an unwanted child (ie. sex outside of marriage). Keep in mind, even masturbation was a sin worthy of burning in Hell for eternity, not because of it's relationship with sex, but because it caused a guy to spill his seed. Seed that would, therefore, never be used in making a child. It was one of the ultimate sins back in the day.

Today there's an overpopulation problem, yet there are more ways of preventing unwanted pregnancies than ever before. With this in mind, we don't need to all have a traditional male/female relationships. Therefore, one must deduce that the need for a sexual sin of not being straight is no longer relevant. If one must find sexual sins in our society today, how about being overly promiscuous, or having sex without protection/birth control. Those are far greater sexual menaces to society.

I don't think the Bible is a particularly good source to know what God thinks about those who are not straight. It was written by men who may and may not have been inspired by God. Much of what was written in the Bible was an attempt at political jockeying amongst religious scholars of their day.
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sexiqban58
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Time:2003-12-22 11:16 am (UTC)
who gives a #$%*&^, if you wanna be homosexual, then please be. "whats the big deal?!"
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ex_michael_j625
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Time:2003-12-23 11:55 am (UTC)
well, from going to catholic school for 12 years and recently taking a class "christian sexual ethics" i have a pretty good understanding.

The Church sees Homosexuality as "intrinsically disordered, but homosexuals should be treated with compassion and love"

basically, what this means is: the church believes homosexuality to be a naturally occurring thing in nature. the actual orientation in itself is not a sin; just cuz someone is homosexual in orientation doesnt mean they are condemned to hell. the church calls homosexuals to chastity; you can be gay thats fine, just dont have sex with other members of the same sex.

BUT, if chastity cannot be lived out, which in modern times is the most realistic, the church ALLOWS committed homosexual relationships to exist, as long as they are not promiscuous lifestyles. it doesnt CONDONE them, but doesnt CONDEMN them AS LONG as they are monogomously committed.

im not making this up or talking out of my ass, it is all fact. if anyone thinks im a lying fuck, go ask a priest of the details of what i said, and you will know that it is truth.

also, on a side note...this isnt necessarily homosexual but id like to add: Oral and anal sex, believe it or not are also condoned and permitted by the church. HOWEVER, they are only permitted to be performed as an act of foreplay. MEANING, if you ejaculate from oral or anal sex then that is wrong. if you just perform oral or anal sex as a means of foreplay, but not performed until ejaculation, it is perfectly fine and accepted by the church. another little note than someone can ask a catholic official on.
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dizzydance76
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Time:2003-12-24 01:38 am (UTC)
Excuse me for being blunt here. Don't you find it a little weird that these guys in your church are sitting around saying (and I don't mean to get graphic but, here goes), "it's okay to come at this time during sex, but not at this time"? Is it because they, themselves are sexually deprived, that they concern themselves so much with the smaller details of the actual mechanics of sex? It's like, if you've got the wrong technique, then you're going to Hell.

If you don't mind me saying, and I'm not trying to be offensive to anybody who's Catholic or of any other denomination that's *this* concerned with the smaller details of gay or straight sexual techniques, but I happen to find it more than a little freaky. I'm just saying. Most churches just say it's either right or wrong, black or white. There's no in-between ground, and certainly no 'proper Christian' how-to sex guides created by any other churches, floating around out there that I'm aware of.
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wetplants
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Time:2004-01-09 09:54 am (UTC)
I'm a Catholic with NOTHING against homsexuality, and I really want gay marriges to be finally be approved in Massachusetts- HECK, the world!
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spikesmyiepf17
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Time:2004-01-09 10:33 am (UTC)
well you've got massachusetts down, and the world to go :D
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singerenee
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Time:2004-03-09 11:07 pm (UTC)
I love you icon. Hayden is so hot!!
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imagechild
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Time:2004-02-19 03:20 pm (UTC)
Everything has pretty much been said on this thread, I just wanted to throw my support in :)

Christanity's main doctorate is to "love one another, love thy neighbor" I find it SO amusing when my other Christian friends seem to forget that SO VERY EASILY. They dive into the bible after these laws against homosexuality (which are in the same chapters that condemn wearing polyester) and forget the MAIN tenant of their religion--that God is love...and we should love everyone.

I fully support gay marriage and the rights of every GLBT and all the other letters I can't remember
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singerenee
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Time:2004-03-09 11:06 pm (UTC)
amen!!!


I just found this community and joined all that is said was interesting, amusing, and awesome. I support everyone. I am a straight christian Lutheran girl myself, but It doesn't matter who you love! I have come to know that after being a hypcritical christian and closed-minded bitch. I have been there on the other side where all you do is hate just because someone is gay. Who cares. It doesn't matter who you love or like. Everyone should be loved and everyone is equal in God's eyes. Sexual Preference is a private thing that should not be discriminated against more than anything, but people just do not seem to realize that. I am happy that there is a loving community like this and I am glad to be here! God Bless:)
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wave_cowboy
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Time:2004-03-20 08:35 am (UTC)
1 Corinthians 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [1] effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

[1] i.e. effeminate by perversion



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1 Timothy 1
9 realizing the fact that law is not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers
10 and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
11 according to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.

Romans 1
25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips,
30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,
31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;
32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.


now assuming you believe the bible to truly be the words of God thru man and to man (as i noticed not everyone here does) then i don't believe there is more that needs to be said.

p.s. my best friend is a very very devout catholic and i happen to know thru convos with him that the catholic church does not condone or accpet homosexuality. besides it would be in contradiction to the bible which is the basis of the church.
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wave_cowboy
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Time:2004-03-20 08:39 am (UTC)
i would also like to add that i am one of those that loves the sinner but hates the sin. i do have friends who are homosexual and bi and they know my stance on the issue and that i love them dearly but do not condone or approve of their lifestyle. i have had this same debate before and i know where it can go. so i know the arguments for and against it. if you think you have a new side to it let me know.
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wave_cowboy
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Time:2004-03-20 09:01 am (UTC)
ok now o.t. proof:

Leviticus 18
22 'You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

Leviticus 20
13 'If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.

there it is again in the old testament. once again if you believe the bible to be the word of God to men thru men then you cannot dispute this.
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spikesmyiepf17
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Time:2004-03-20 10:10 am (UTC)
http://www.godhatesshrimp.com

I found this interesting...one would argue that Leviticus is filled with "old laws" that changed once Jesus came about, which is why only a few are still considered by Christians to be sins... (when's the last time you ate shrimp or shaved and then ran to God crying for forgiveness?) And that got me thinking, if those are "old laws" and there was a "new covenant" with Jesus, what did Jesus himself have to say about gays? I talked to my friend who was taking a course in his college about the New Testament and specifically Jesus's role...and while Paul wrote letters, Jesus never uttered one word about gays. At least that's what my friend said. If you have a verse where Jesus says something let me know and I won't hold this position any longer...but I am doubtful as to what the "new covenant" position on gays really is...
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wave_cowboy
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Time:2004-03-20 07:22 pm (UTC)
well i did comment the n.t. proofs against homosexuality. in Rom., 1 Cor. and 1 Tim. now realize that Jesus's ministry was only 3 years and everyone was so deepened in the religion of that time that He had to devote the majority of His time to setting the record straight about the new covenant and He didn't really have time to reinterate all the sins that still were sins. He left that task up to His disciples.
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