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Subject:Newbie
Time:11:15 am
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Hi, I'm new. I am a very devout Catholic who doesn't think there is anything wrong with being gay. My best friend is gay and another good friend is lesbian, and I do not think it is a sin. I am much more interested in the heart of a person, not what color their skin is or who they want to have sex with. But, that's just me:)
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spikesmyiepf17
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Time:2004-04-05 04:32 pm (UTC)
:D welcome!!
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singerenee
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Time:2004-04-05 05:28 pm (UTC)
I agree....Welcome! :)
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bm0
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Time:2005-01-24 04:08 pm (UTC)
you cant be a believer of the bible and agree with homosexuality.
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lavender_rose
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Time:2005-01-24 04:16 pm (UTC)
I don't agree but thanks for the comment.
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isaiah53v5
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Time:2005-09-12 06:40 pm (UTC)
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
-1 Corinthians 6:9-10

"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."
-Romans 1:26-27


It is obvious, according to the bible, that homosexuality is in fact a sin. Being Christian, we cannot pick and choose what we deem as sin - that is what God does. The key is not to judge or condemn homosexuals, but to love them as our neighbors, because we are all sinners.


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lavender_rose
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Time:2005-09-12 09:53 pm (UTC)
Sorry to blow your bubble but there are many, many Christians who do not believe being gay is a sin. I do not take every word in the Bible literally. I was raised that it is ignorant to do that, for these reasons: If I did, I would have to murder people who worked on the Sabbath, I would go to Hell for wearing clothes made out of the same fabric, and I could be sold into slavery. And, I would believe that African Americans SHOULD be slaves. Also, any famers who plant different seeds in the same field are condemned. And football players as well, for touching the skin of a dead pig. I do not believe any of those things and I don't believe God wants us to either. I know many, many gay couples who have more loving and more stable relationships that my straight friends and family. And they go to church! I am a Christian, so I follow the examples of Christ, which were to treat others the way I want to be treated and to love one another the way Christ loved me.
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isaiah53v5
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Time:2005-09-12 11:19 pm (UTC)
Sorry to blow your bubble but there are many, many Christians who do not believe being gay is a sin.

1) Then they are not being true to the word of God, and are therefore, are Christian only by self-proclamation. You cannot pick and choose what suits your beliefs and stay true to God at the same time.

2) Those other sins you listed are out of the Old Testament. Jesus came to bring a new covenant. Both of those verses I cited are out of the New Testament.



I follow the examples of Christ, which were to treat others the way I want to be treated and to love one another the way Christ loved me.

I attempt to do the same. I do not hate gays, nor do I condemn them. We are all sinners - and God is the final judge. I am not here to judge those who sin but to follow the will of God.
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lavender_rose
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Time:2005-09-13 09:59 pm (UTC)
You do judge them, since you think being gay is a sin. I'm sorry, but I really have absolutely no respect for Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin, Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson come to mind, and all the bigots who actualy listen to their bullshit. I actually left the Catholic Church because of their intolerant views on so many issues, GLBT people being one of them. For me to even think that being gay is a sin, I would be untrue to more than half of my friends and my godmother, who is a lesbian.
Also, Jesus didn't say being gay was a sin, Paul did and he was a homophobe and he was talking about male prostitutes, not gay people living in committed loving relationships.
BYW - why are you in this group, it is for Christians who support gay rights?
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isaiah53v5
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Time:2005-09-13 11:01 pm (UTC)
You do judge them, since you think being gay is a sin.

I do not judge them. I judge their actions. Big difference.


I'm sorry, but I really have absolutely no respect for Christians who believe homosexuality is a sin, Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson come to mind, and all the bigots who actualy listen to their bullshit.

You have no respect for Christians who follow the bible? Theres no way around it - if you are truly a follower of the bible, you truly believe homosexuality is a sin. In regards to Fred Phelps, and Pat Robertson, I do not agree with them generally. I'm actually generally very liberally minded, at least when it comes to the vast majority of issues.



Also, Jesus didn't say being gay was a sin, Paul did and he was a homophobe and he was talking about male prostitutes, not gay people living in committed loving relationships.

And Paul's writing were inspired by the divine. Also, are you implying that in Romans, Paul is referring to male prostitutes? Theologians would disagree.



BYW - why are you in this group, it is for Christians who support gay rights?

I stumbled upon it.
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lavender_rose
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Time:2005-09-14 02:09 am (UTC)
Oh, so your one of those love the sinner, hate the sine people. That is such a load of crap. Now that I think about it, the people who killed Matthew Shepard and who committ hate crimes against gay men and lesbians every day probably were raised with that backwards mentality too. Thank God I live in a city where gay people are actually free to be who they are without being afraid to walk down the street. But, it is hilarious to watch all the "Christians" protest their even being alive. You, and people like you, give me even more reason to feel good about no longer being a Catholic!
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isaiah53v5
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Time:2005-09-14 04:33 am (UTC)
Oh, so your one of those love the sinner, hate the sine people. That is such a load of crap.

Do you honestly believe Jesus would approve of you telling other people that what they believe is a "load of crap?" Or, rather, do you think he would prefer that you act peacefully towards me within your language?



Now that I think about it, the people who killed Matthew Shepard and who committ hate crimes against gay men and lesbians every day probably were raised with that backwards mentality too.

I wasn't raised with it. I've never really talked to my parents about my stance on such issues in regards to my religious beliefs. I read the bible, and have prayed on it.

I find your catagorizing me with the killers of Matthew Shepard and other gays to be offensive (I know what your response to this would be - that my beliefs are offensive. But did Jesus not say, "turn the other cheek?"). I am appaled by the atrocious murders that are commited because of hate against gays, or anyone else. Jesus teaches us to love, not to hate.



Thank God I live in a city where gay people are actually free to be who they are without being afraid to walk down the street.

I feel the same way about my city. I don't want to live anywhere where anyone is shunned. Jesus said "let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I am not one to judge gays. I have a few gay/bisexual friends. I am not the final judge, God is.



But, it is hilarious to watch all the "Christians" protest their even being alive.

I don't think its hilarious. I think its appaling. We should love one another, not protest against eachother.



You, and people like you, give me even more reason to feel good about no longer being a Catholic!

I ask of you, please, define what "people like me" are like.
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lavender_rose
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Time:2005-09-15 12:16 am (UTC)
When I say "people like you", I mean Catholics and Christians who believe being gay is a sin. They claim to "love" gay people but they hate the fact that they love a person of the same sex. They tell people they are going to hell and they try to change them, even though they have known they were gay since a very young age and for them to marry a person of the opposite sex would be a lie. These Christians claim they try to change people because they love them. That is not love, it is hate and intolerance. It is like trying to tell a woman she should be a man. It is completely disrespectful and ignorant and two years ago I got fed up with the Catholic Church's similar attitudes and left. I now attend a United Church of Christ congregation where gay people are fully welcomed into the community and can be married. Most of these gay people came from religious communities where they were severely damaged by this so-called love and who believed Christ hated them: people who attempted suicide, ran away, became addicted to drugs and alcohol to escape their problem, survived ex-gay therapy. After they discovered a church that taught them that Christ loves them just they way they are they blossomed in Christ's love. I consider the kind of damage done to these people to be unforgivale and disgusting. I saw this every Sunday at my Catholic parish and it is abominable. They are oblivious to the damage they are doing to human beings. In my opinion, and in the opinion of the members of my church, no person should be allowed to speak for Christ if they believe in or participte in these bahaviors.

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